on churches and homophobia (or, venturing out from my little queer bubble backfires)
My spiritual path up until this point has involved a lot of exploration (including protestant christianity – which I was born into, Judaism, Buddhism – a little with my Buddhist ex, and various forms of Paganism and Wicca). I spent several years practicing Judaism and loved so much about it and gained so much from it. It has been the source of my most spiritual experiences. Yet ultimately I decided not to convert because I want to raise my children with the same holiday traditions I’d grown up with. So last fall I sought out some progressive churches – United Church of Christ (UCC) churches – in the hopes of finding a new spiritual home. If you’re not familiar with them, UCC churches tend to be about as progressive as you can get and still be christian. They’re the ones who produced commercials several years ago showing that they welcomed everyone when other churches didn’t. Those same commercials were then forced off the air because they “invoked controversy.” Hmm, who’s invoking the controversy here?
Anyway, so I found a church that I liked and became involved in their young adults group (YAG, it is affectionately called. BTW, the oldest person in YAG is nearly 40, lest you get the impression that I’m college-age.) Although a couple of my queer friends also attend the church, I was the only queer one who went to YAG events. And for a long time I really enjoyed them. For the most part, the people were quite friendly, welcoming, and inclusive. They were excited that I was trying to have a baby. One woman connected me with a lesbian friend of hers who recently had a baby.
And then, on our camping trip last weekend, things changed. Perhaps there had been an undercurrent of homophobia all along and I just missed it. Certainly there were signs that some of the folks in the group are very gendered (that is, they feel all women are one way and all men a different way). However, I was still shocked at the three separate homophobic and sexist instances over the course of the weekend.
First was the conversation where one woman, upon learning that I’m TTC, emphasized how important she thinks it is for kids of lesbian parents to have men involved in their lives, so they get exposed to both genders. (Because, you know, there are only two genders. And, of course, without this experience, sons of lesbians just won’t know how to be in the world.) Certainly I want my future children to be exposed to people of many different genders so they can learn about many different ways of being in the world. But, somehow, I don’t think this is what she was getting at.
Then, another woman described how one of the men in the group had reassured them that he wasn’t gay. (Because, you know, being gay is definitely something to be ashamed of and, if we thought he was gay, we would be really concerned.)
Finally, the last straw came on Sunday morning during our mini-service. One of the men (the same one, by the way, who reassured people he wasn’t gay) had chosen creation as the theme and had printed out two different versions of the creation story as the theme. (If you’re not familiar with it, the creation story is the one where God creates the earth and all the living beings on it over a weeklong period. Its also the story of the creation of Adam and Eve.) Now, I have a lot of issues with that story. I have also heard it told much better – much less offensively – than it was in the version this man found online. It must have come from some ultraconservative religious sect, because it literally said that women were created to serve men and that plants and animals existed to give people (it actually said men) pleasure and sustenance. Ugh. I was so disgusted.
With the first two instances, I was caught so off-guard that I didn’t say anything. I later talked to one of the women, though. With the third instance, I said I found it offensive and explained why. Another woman, one I really like, said she agreed with me. Here’s the thing, though. No one else said anything. At all. In response to *any* of the comments. This is a group from a church that says it’s open and affirming (i.e. it openly welcomes queer folks). The group members consider themselves progressive. Two of the three ministers at the church are LGBT, and the third was the minister of another UCC church when it became the only one in its area to become open and affirming.
I really thought it was a safe space for queer folks and now I’m disappointed and a little unsure of where to go from here. It illustrates, though, that just because a church – or any institution – labels itself as queer-friendly does not mean that all the people at that institution will be.
For now my spiritual journey continues. Today I went to check out one of Seattle’s Unitarian Universalist (UU) churches and was thrilled to find that my two good friends R & S just started going there. (Could it be a sign that I should head there next? I know they’d like it to be – we had brunch afterwards and they told me – jokingly – that our friendship was riding on whether or not I decided to continue going there.)
If y’all have insights or similar experiences, I’d love to hear about them, too.
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Posted: August 17th, 2008 under friends, homophobia, social justice.
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August 17th, 2008 at 10.03 pm
Hi Erin,
I’m not sure which UU you attended, but I attend University Unitarian and love it. I haven’t been very regularly this summer, but in the fall I will begin teaching the Kindergarten UU Church school. (I’m so excited!) The community is very open and affirming, I’ve never had bad experiences, we had our wedding there last year and the services are very interesting and inspirational. They have a lot of great classes, events and smaller groups including a young adults group. If you decide go to a service, let me know and maybe we can meet up.
August 18th, 2008 at 7.08 pm
Wow. I have hard a hard time with that as well. Different states have brought me different feelings of churches. I have liked UU’s and MCC’s. have you tried that one???? Just do what you feel is best for yourself erin.
August 19th, 2008 at 9.05 am
Thanks, y’all.
I haven’t tried the MCC church around here, but I really want something that has some sort of kids program, and they don’t have one.
But I will go back to the UU church and also check out a couple of others.
August 20th, 2008 at 6.04 pm
Hi Erin – it was interesting to read your post, and I relate to a lot of it – I grew up in a protestant Christian environment, then tried other paths (and lack thereof) for most of my adult life. I very recently – in the past couple of years – started reconsidering Christianity as a spiritual path, and church as a community I might actually like to be a part of. A good friend (who’s a member of a queer friendly synagogue in Seattle) recommended a couple of gay-friendly churches: the UCC on Alki in West Seattle and Findlay St. in Mt. Baker (which is Disciples of Christ – a sister church to UCC). I checked out both (in addition to some other churches I really didn’t like much) and actually just joined Findlay last week. Both of these churches have queer pastors and were very welcoming, but Findlay St. was especially warm and very diverse. Also, the sermons are incredibly thought-provoking and I think it’s a great environment and experience for the kids in the church – both things that are very important to me. Let me know if you’d like to check it out with me some time! Good for you for speaking up on the camping trip, but if you want a spiritual space or group where you don’t feel like you’re on the margin or in an unsupported minority, just know that there are people out there who are exploring Christianity as a spiritual path and who really are “open and affirming” at the deepest levels.
Wow, this “comment” is kind of long… I guess there’s not a word limit?
August 25th, 2008 at 10.24 am
I was brought up UCC, and while I’m not religious at all anymore, my mom still goes – but she changed congregations after I left home, since she didn’t like the direction hers was heading under a new minister. I guess whether a church is welcoming really depends on the people in it, regardless of the official position. Even though I don’t go to church, it always make me happy to see those “god is still speaking” banners – it reminds me that there are lots of tolerant religious people out there.
Regarding the lesbian parenting thing – I actually have to agree with that woman’s opinion. I think it is important for children (boys and girls) to have male role models in their lives, and Jenny and I have talked about how we’ll need to make an effort to make sure our children have that. HOWEVER, if you’d just met this woman, then it really isn’t her business telling you that – no one has the right to tell you how to raise your kids unless you ask for their opinion. It reminds me of when we were at a wedding, and talking about how we wanted to have kids, some woman we’d just met started telling us how we should use a sperm bank instead of a known donor or our kids would be psychologically messed up. Some people seem to think it’s their duty to dole out their opinions to everyone they meet, but it’s just rude.